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Bank Errors - Indian overseas bank's Gross mistakes

iob.jpgIt so happens like my Mom got a letter from the Indian Overseas bank or IOB, two years back, informing of a Fixed deposit that has matured which they are automatically renewing. My mom tried to search for and think of when she made that fixed deposit some 10 years back and where she kept the original certificate of the deposit to claim it back.

She approached the bank, which requested her to search all places where she might have mis-placed it.. because without the original certificate it would be difficult for them to process it. My mom had agreed and over the next few months, in about 3 months she searched over at many places, including her ancestral home in her native town when she went there for a relative's wedding.

She couldn't find the originals.. She approached the bank, which said that it can provide a duplicate 'original certificate' if she filed a banker's bond document requesting for it saying she lost the originals at a cost of 250 indian rupees.

It so happens that, She made the request, got a certificate, and also the amount of the deposit on its maturity.

Two years after this, Yesterday, she gets a call from the bank saying that it wasn't her money, that they had processed it by error.. and the original depositor has approached the bank for the money with the original certificate.

They said.. 'We are calling up to notify you of this issue.. and request you to check your documents on this.. and we will call you again in one hour'..

My mom immediately recollected that it is why she could never remember anything about the deposit, and neither find the original 2 years back.. she waited to see what the bank tries to tell her in their next call.

The called to say that they would expect her to visit the bank and possibly re-credit the amount back to the bank.

It seems the original investor himself has been the bank's manager 2 years earlier. At the kodambakkam branch of IOB. And that he had deposited this in the name of 'Uma' which was his wife's name. Since my mom's name also happens to be Uma, the bank had sent the intimation of the renewal to the wrong address and lost record of the original investment temporarily (or permanently).

My mom consulted a relative who once worked in IOB, who told her that sending a wrong intimation letter can be understood as a clerical error, but they have went aboard to wrongly give the money itself to you, which is totally ridiculous.. and dont pay them unless you get it in writing from them that they made a mistake on this and are requesting a re-credit.

By common sense, most of us would say, the bank will never a letter like that confirming on its handling of the money which could be used to dis-credit the bank publicly.. and neither they can sue my mom because that would also prove they accept the error.

But my mom also had a point that they could try to make this a mistake on us by trying to screw up with other relationships I have with the bank in my savings account or other accounts in future... and my mom prefers to recredit the money back to the bank because she understands now that the money was never hers as she doesn't remember making any such investment, and she only had to believe it otherwise because of the bank's letter.

The amount was small.. 33.5 thousands and I told my mom that she is deciding to give it back only because the amount was less and she wouldn't if it was some 2 lakh indian rupees.. to which my mom quickly adds 'if it were 2 lakhs I probably would not have believed that letter at all firstly.. because I never had that kind of money to deposit then'

Whatever.. this episode proves how badly IOB is capable of goofing up.


Another similar episode:

This has happened in the Kanadukathan branch of IOB which is Kanadukathan near karaikudi town, some 10 hrs drive from Chennai.

My mom went to the kanadukathan bank to check on her account and stuff.. while she noticed the manager of the branch has changed. She came back home and asked her father (my grandDad) what was with the old manager who was a nice man and was there for almost 4.5 long years.. (it seems IOB managers are transfered only once in 5 years)

My granddad has narrated the below episode.. as reason for the manager change.

It so happened that somebody who had taken a jewel loan at the bank, came back to repay the loan and take the jewels. While the repayment was processed and jewel furbished back to the claim processing clerk who returns the jewellery, in those few minutes between the time when it was going to be handed over to the customer, the jewel got stolen.. The bank claimed that somebody who was at the branch that time had taken it.. these were old days and even these days IOB only have surveillance cameras in its branches in cities, not lesser towns/villages.

The guy bluntly said he wanted his jewels back and not its cost. This issue got on for a while as a disagreement when the bank chose to informally settle the dispute with panchayat like meeting with the branch manager, some of the clerks, the customer, and some outsiders who were influential. It was forced upon the customer that there is no way they could get back the jewels, and so he will have to take the cost value of the jewels. Also it was forced upon the manager that he bear the cost from his personal money because neither the bank can blame anybody to take up the responsibility or pay part of the amount, nor they could open-up on the lost article because it would discredit the bank's way of handling it.

More so, I think IOB managers decide things based on the cost of it and put the cost to the bank.. they write it off... except strange cases where the manager takes ownership of the error.

And so it happens that the manager paid up the 60 thousands from his pocket, and subsequently requested an immediate transfer from the branch because of the episode.


Are Cartoons and full-animation films better movies?

Well.. I think so.. mostly because of the decrease in the number of quality artists these days.. do you realize it. Almost 90% English, Hindi, Tamil films seem to have considered the 'thrill' / 'rushes' they call coming today from doing some kind of Computer graphics on the film more than having very involving actors with very generously detailed story telling.

I think these are the days of king kong, godzilla, Transformers, X-men.. and it all started with Finding Nemo, X-men 3, and movies like Rat-ta-tou-lie..

At my official visit to Belgium, I saw two movies back to back at UGC cinemas .. one was some sandra bullock movie which I am happy I have forgotten.. the other was 'Transformers 2'.

I loved the detail of Transformers 2, as much as I loved Transformer 1.. and why not, they even very clearly established the old links left behind in the first part to the second part. At No point, did I feel like I was watching an animation film.

Now that I am married, I occassionally get to convince my wife that booking tickets for an animation film for two adults is not ridiculous,.. and make her come with me to a 3D movie .. UP. yes, it was called 'UP' and my wife seemed to enjoy it as well.

Though it was her first 3D movie (she almost forgot when she last saw any 3D movie).. she was occassionally frowning that I was not only seeing an animation movie myself.. but getting her to see it.. and then the 3D glasses are not good.. the glasses giving her an headache for which I interestingly ask her to hold them with one finger in a particular focal length for the rest of the movie.. "whaaaat !" she said, but eventually had to do it to continue watching the movie.

Full-length animation films, sometimes still called cartoon films, which have no human characters are getting better and better and importantly easier to watch or sit-through than any other type of movie.. ofcourse, I must agree that I am feeling so much good for animation films only because they are a welcome change of movie type after a bunch of non-animated movies. not otherwise.

We need more harrison fords's... anthony hopkins's, arnolds's, stallone's, .. all of them younger.. to revive the better movie segment genre of english movies... and we could almost forget people like tom cruise, russel crowe, who are more busy with reviving their personal lives, than reviving anything like movie industry.

As for me,
I am looking forward to 'AVATAR'.. coincidentally today it seems like the movie has had its world's largest live viewing movie trailer released today.. also, the comic-con conference had these questions 'How many of you wanted to see another planet once.. are you ready to go to Pandorum?' to huge crowd uproars before showing off some 25 secs of Avatar's upcoming movie clips.


Reader's Digest India - Website

The other day, I tried buying an RD subscription on their website at rd-india.com Though it looked like a legitimate website, the very idea that it had 'subscribe now' and 'buy now', send a joke 'get paid'.. kind of links 'ALL' over on the first page of the website.. more than showcasing magazine articles.. made me slightly uncomfortable about using my credit card to pay them online.. for a new subscription I was registering.

rd_nov09.jpgI ended up paying them online, only because they were using a 3rd party online payment services provider which I trust. After I made the payment, I read that the subscription will start only 4-5 weeks afterwards'.. uncomfortability begins again.

And I start looking up my mailbox to see whether they are confirming my payment, or sending an e-invoice or something.. but no mails from reader's digest.. "very well ! looks like I dropped my money into a black hole" I said.

Then I took to my "patience patience" learning about how indian company's work on such services.. and waited to see that no email, nothing until 4th week.. I went back to their website to see that they had put up some contact numbers.. one of which very clearly looked like an invalid tollfree number right away.. 1800 00 800. I took to the other New Delhi paid-call number.

Their customer support is well attended.. but only on Monday - Fridays 10am - 6pm.. Evven if you call one minute earlier or later, you will get a message very very ignorantly telling you their working hours and disconnecting even without a 'we request you to call us later during office hours' kind of thing. Again, the typical traditional "Who customers ?" Indian attitude.

I could get to two customer executives on two consecutive days to enquire about my black hole subscription. Both days, both the executives took all information from me, like phone number, address, email ID, etc., mimicking to verify my stuff with their system.. and after they got the information which they probably filled up to their 'Huge happy marketing database' .. they simply happily said 'Our systems are having technical issues.. we request you to call later'... and I said, 'When is later.. I called yesterday also to hear the same thing from you'.. 'well sir, I dont know how long people take to fix the system.. I suggest you call us tomorrow again sir'

I told myself.. you got to be jumping over their head now.. dont you see they are that kind of attitudinal people .. and I said 'well.. it looks tricky.. because your online payment system works.. so that you take the money.. your marketing system works.. so that you can get all my information when I call you.... but your customer support system alone doesnt work.. Is that the importance you give to it.. are you one of those websites who run away with unclaimed money of busy people who think just paying up will get them their subscription ??' .. to which the executives simply either hung up the phone.. or said something ignorant and closed the conversation.. without even a generic apology or 'sorry for inconvenience' thing.

How do you trust such people with your payment.. that too online when even on the telephone they can't support their business with attitude. ??

I recommend, you either subscribe to reader's digest the old model way.. 1. Buy a reader's digest book at a mart.. 2. Tear the subscribe / gift a subscription page in the book.. 3. Subscribe by snail mail.. choosing to pay by VPP or value paid post

RD.COM seems a much better and attended website.. but rd-india.com is definitely not a reliable website..

Did I get my subscription finally: Yes, on the 5th week.. but till today, not a receipt or invoice or payment confirmation email.. or any email.. I only have my credit card statement and transaction information for proof of purchase.

Is RD such a nice good book for information? Actually, reader's digest is as the name suggests mostly a very good compilation of what readers contribute regularly as jokes, stories, real-life stories, suggestions. RD pays the readers higher than what most magazines pay their readers.. very simply because RD depends a lot on readers for content more than writers and regular columnists.. I think there arent many regular columnists or writers for RD except for an editor compiling everything well.

RD is a pass-time read .. not definitely an informational magazine and for news it contains only side-lined news not the important news you would read anywhere.It is more popular / successful only because it took to a very professional content publishing style in the book.. many times better than almost all indian magazines.
But. Reader's Digest is a pass-time read.. when you want to read something which doesnt need your brain's attention.. and I would say more than 65% of content in reader's digest is 'humour'.


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